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LIBRARY OF J.H.
MRS. TRINIDAD SHOEMAKER
(Formerly Mrs. Jack
Taken at the residence of Mrs. Shoemaker, one mile West of
Central Avenue, on the South side of Salt River,
at 4:00 P.M. March 2d, 1923.
PRESENT: C.M. Gandy, J.D. Adams,
and E.E. Johnson, Stenographer.
ďMy first house on the Agua Fria
was made of rock, it was right there at the edge of the road, coming to
Phoenix, and right close before you go down to the Agua Fria; there was a house
on one side within a hundred feet of when you go down to the bank of the river;
that was my house and my first house.
We lived at Gillette (sic) (correct
spelling Gillett), too, I donít know just when we moved there. We was in
Gillette (sic) two years before Jack died. I have never been back up in that
country where I first lived. When Mr. Swilling was in jail at Prescott I crossed there but did not stop. I
have a child buried there; it was not a regular grave yard, there was only my
child, a man that got killed and an Indian, I suppose he died on the ranch. Mr.
Stephens had the ranch, and I had lots of trouble with Mrs. Stephens; she took
everything and never gave me much there for my own cows. The boy (Indian) was
working on the ranch, and so these are the three buried there. My child, a man
named Tom and the India.
Tom, I do not know his other name, was prospecting, he had trouble with another
man about some burros and they got to fighting and one killed the other. I
think also Col. Snively is buried in that grave yard, because Mr. Swilling went
and got his bones when we were living in Gillette, and I think he buried him
there. He used to live with us at the house (in Phoenix?). He was killed over by Wickenburg
some place by the Indians, I donít know the name of the place. (White Picacho
Mountain). We know he was
killed because his mule came back alone to Phoenix; he used to rid a mule. He lived next
to my house on the way between Tempe and Phoenix, and he went
prospecting there and the Indians come along and dilled him. My house was the
other side of the old mill, there is a big house on the other side of the mill
to the right; they say some part of the walls are there falling; it is on the
side where they call it Acre City, and was where Col. Snively started from, and
his horse came back to the place; Then Mr. Swilling got some men and went and
looked for him and found him, and so he was buried there.
At that time Lord Dupper used to
live up town; sometimes in one place and sometimes in another, on the ranches,
he lived that way, he never had a place; he had lots of friends and would stay
one wee, two weeks, and this is the way he lived, first on and then another. We
just called him Lord, because he said he was, everybody called him Lord Dupper,
never called him Dupper, only called him Lord, never called him anything else.
He died in Phoenix.
There was no name for the settlement at the mill; they had an election there
and that was where they put the name Phoenix,
they didnít have any name before that, they found the name in the dictionary,
looked in the dictionary and found Phoenix, and
they put the name of Phoenix.
Jack and I were married in Tucson; we went to Walnut Grove from Tucson, Mr. Swilling had a claim there on the
other side, that big mountain called Weaver; that was before I married him, but
I knew Pauline Weaver because he was in the house where I lived in Walnut
Grove. He used to live with another family, the two had a partner; when Jack
and I went to Walnut Grove, Weaver had a ranch there; after that we left Walnut
Grove, he couldnít work the place because there was too much water, and he want
to Wickenburg, and from Wickenburg he came here; that was when Jack dug the
ditch; it was a big company.
I came from Hermosillo to Tucson,
and from there I went every place; I was born in Hermosilla, and have never
been back since I left; I donít remember the year we move up to the Black
Canyon, but it must have been about three or four years before he died; we went
from Tucson to Walnut Grove and stayed there one year; and then went to
Wickenburg and stayed there for quite a while, maybe two or three years, and
then we moved to Phoenix; we must have been living at Gillette (sic) in 1877
because that is where they arrested him, and he died in 1878; he died about six
months after he was arrested. I think it was less than a month before he was
arrested that the brought Col. Snivelyís remains; that is what he started off
for. There was lots of trouble in Gillette for me, but he wanted to get the
remains and he brought them. He was drinking very had at that time; I donít
think it was a month after he buried Col. Snively before he was arrested; I
didnít go to the burial, but it must be where my child is buried. I donít know
how far it was from the ranch, but we were living in Gillette when he took Col.
Snivelyís remains to where my child is and buried him in the same place, that
is at the ranch at Agua Fria. He first brought
the bones to Gillette, I saw the bones, and I used to have a Indian stone arrow
head they got from the inside of the Colonelís head; I had it for a long time,
when I went to California someone broke into my trunk, they took everything,
and I suppose that head was in the papers and looking at the papers it got
lost, or I lost in out of the letters maybe. The arrow head was found inside of
his skull. Col. Snively was an awful nice man, used to be nice at my place,
where he stayed a long time. I donít think he was the same Snively that was
captured by the Government on the Santa Fe trail
as an express robber and afterwards turned loose. This Col. Snively was a nice
man. I donít know which direction the cemetery is from the house, maybe it was
East, but one side of the road there was the cemetery. I know that the river
comes together there where I used to live, the Agua Fria and the Black Canyon,
the road used to be there when I lived there, coming down from my place you go
in the Agua Fria and then the Black Canyon comes together. When he went up to Prescott he would go in the Black Canyon
until he got up on the mountain. When you down from my house you go down this Black Canyon
and on top of the mountain from Black
Canyon; you to up and
look to the left and you can see the hole and not very far from the road, they
used to call that Swilling road. It is not twenty feet from my place to where
the Agua Fria and the Black
Canyon come together.
There was no other house when I was living there; there was no other house
until you get to New River; that is the only house from where I lived on the Black Canyon,
except a place they used to call Antelope.
††††††††††† We got
water out of the Agua Fria; Mr. Swilling made
a ditch and somebody told me I had a claim on it. Right in front we used to
have a place where we had a crop of corn, pumpkins and watermelons, and that is
where the ditch comes; he cut a ditch from the Agua Fria, and he cut the hill
and brought the water to the house, but after he put the water in, the hill
caved and covered the ditch so we never used it again. That is the ditch Mr.
Swilling made and somebody told me I had a claim on it. I donít know who it
was, perhaps Capt. Hancock, he is the one that surveyed Phoenix.
was on the other side of the river and maybe five miles or more below the stone
house; we had to cross the creek to go to Gillette. When Jack took Snivelyís
remains up to the ranch George Monroe was with him and another man named
Sanders or something; George Monroe killed old man Lough. At a meeting Mrs.
Gray claimed that she was the first white woman here and I claimed it was Mrs.
Lough, because no woman was here before here except me; I donít claim that,
because I donít claim to be white. Mrs. Swilling helped to bring Mrs. Lough
because they were very poor; I was the first one here but they donít call
Mexicans white; I came from Sonora and they call me Mexican, but it was Mrs.
Lough that came next; Mr. Swilling met him on the road, they has lost all they
had, they used to have wagons and oxen, but all the oxen died and they had the
cows and wagons, and the cows were very poor, so Mr. Swilling went to Globe and
sent a wagon to help him to town, and then they mover here; then they moved up
on the Verde. One time I went from here to Prescott, I think Mr. Swilling come the same
way, but we passed in the night so I donít know how it was there: nobody was
there I think when I passed.
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