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CHARLES MALLET DOBBIE
November, 10, 2007
L-R Kevin Hart - Neal Du Shane identify 115 year old grave
of 13 year old Charles Mallet Dobbie
in
Birth: 1879
Death: May 20, 1892
Pinal County
Son of Andrew Ferguson Dobbie & Fannie Neighbours.
Newspaper article of the time published the following;
"Jun 5, 1892,
. . . The tragedy
which resulted in the killing of Charlie Dobie, a 13-year-old boy, whose mother
lives in Tempe, but whose father works at the Silver King, is the all absorbing
topic here and there is a great variety of opinion as to who was the murderer.
The news was brought to this place by Sim Neighbours, whom the young boy had
been visiting at Jack Fraser's ranch. Sim made the ride in five hours over the
rough and broken country to see Jack Fraser who was on the federal grand jury
in
Burial:
Pinal County
Plot: grave unmarked
Record added: Nov 12 2007
By: S. Cardenas/McNamara
Name: Charles Mallet Dobbie
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Birth: 1879
Death: 30 May 1892 JF Ranch,
Burial: aft 30 May 1892
Father: Andrew Ferguson Dobbie (1843-1928)
Mother: Fannie Neighbours (1856-1923)
MURDERED BY INDIANS
Charlie Dobbie, the thirteen, year-old who, a couple of
weeks ago, was murdered, supposedly by Indians, in Arizona, was the son of
Andrew and Fannie Neighbors Dobbie and nephew of Mrs. Alice Benbrook, Mrs. D.P.
Smart and Donald Dobbie, of this place. It is believed that the murderer of the
poor boy was John See, who recently killed his wife in
Little Charlie was spending his-vacation at his Uncle Sim Neighbors ranch in the mountains of Pinal county, ten miles from Silver King. On the day before he was murdered, he drove a few burros to a neighbor's ranch and was directed by his uncle to remain there over night, as he was going away, and did not wish him to be alone at the ranch. On Mr. Neighbor's return the following day, he found that the house had been ransacked, provisions taken, and other evidences of a visit by Indians. A short distance from the house the body of the little boy was found, shot through the body twice, and his head crushed and limbs mangled by heavy boulders that the inhumane red-skins had stoned him with. It is believed that the little fellow got tired of stopping at the Rivas ranch, where he had driven the burros, and returned to the ranch the same day, where he was found by the renegade Apache Indian Kid and his party of outlaws, who no one now doubts were the murderers.
Mr. Sam Neighbors assisted to carry the body of the
unfortunate child to Silver King, where he was buried, his parents being
present at the funeral. Mr. Neighbors is back as a witness in the Probate
Court, and was on his way to
CORONERS VERDICT IN CASE OF CHARLES M DOBIE
June 1, 1892
T.P. Carson J.P.
Frazers Ranche June
1st 1892
The following evidence was given before the coroners Jury empanelled to inquire into the cause of the death of Charles M Dobie.
A S. Neighbors being duly sworn says. I knew the deceased to
be Charles Mallet Dobie aged about 13 years. Saw him last at Frazers Ranche on
the morning of May 30th about 6 o’clock. He was then mounted on a dark bay
horse. And left to go to Reavis Ranche. His intention being to catch another
horse (a sorrel) and after returning to this ranch was to meet me at Whitlows
in the evening of same day. Upon his failing to meet me as agreed I returned
here yesterday (May 31) about 10 o'clock AM. Two Mexicans named Balles
[Valles?, would be pronounced Balles] were with me. We found the house open
with bedding provisions scattered on the floor. Found the boys hat on a chair
near the cot he usually occupied. There was no person at the ranch. I searched
in front of the house and around the corral but found no tracks of anything but
burros which appeared between the house and the corral and then turned down the
canyon. I followed them as far as possible but owing to the high winds of the
previous night they were obliterated. I then went to
Peter L Young being duly sworn says. I live on the San
Pedro. Was in
John J Frazer being duly sworn says I saw the deceased last on the morning of May 30th was with Mr. Neighbors at the time and fully corroborate all he has said as to the deceased leaving here and the arrangements for his returning and going to Whittons. I have not been here since then until this morning about 4 o'clock. When I arrived in company with Mr. Young and Mr. Thomas we found the house as described by Mr. Neighbors and Mr. Young. I fully identify the body as that of Charles M Dobie.
Reymont. Pinal County.
I T P. Carson a Justice of the Peace in and for said county do hereby certify that the forgoing is a correct copy of the testimony taken before the Coroners jury. Consisting of the following named citizens who were duly sworn to hear the evidence and render a true verdict in the matter of the murder of Charles M Dobie deceased.
John J Frazer. Thomas Buchanan. James D Thomas. Peter R Young. Frank Manion and Francisco Chacon.
Signed T. P. Carson
Justice of the Peace and ex officio Coroner
Frazers Ranche Pinal
We the coroners Jury being duly sworn by T.P. Carson Justice of the Peace and ex officio coroner after hearing the testimony of several witnesses and after carefully examining the body of deceased find that Charles Mallet Dobie came to his death by wounds inflicted upon his person, at the hands of some person or persons unknown to this jury. said wounds consisting of a pistol or rifle shot entering at the left side below the heart and coming out the same side about 4 inches from place of entering and also from his skull and face being smashed by a large stone which was found at his side covered with blood. This Jury believes from the fact the Apache Indians were seen in the vicinity within the last 3 or 4 days. and from the manner that deceased met his death, and also from the manner which the house was ransacked. That deceased was murdered by there Apache Indians.
Signed by individual Jury members
Hunting for the Murderers of Little Charley Dobie.
From the Globe Silver Belt.
Lieutenant
Fuller, with twenty troopers, four Indian trailers and a pack train passed
through town this morning en route to the scene of the murder of the Dobie boy
in Superstition mountains. Lieutenant Fuller learned upon arrival here, from
George Mayhard, of
of John M. See, and all the evidence obtained of the killing, point to See as the perpetrator.
The boy was killed some time Sunday night, and his body found about 100 yards from the house. His shoes were at the bedside, indicating that he had been surprised in bed and shot down while trying to escape. He was shot through the hips and his head crushed. The house had been ransacked, 200 pounds of flour, 70 pounds of sugar, 20 pounds of bacon, a Winchester and belt full of cartridges, and a horse and saddle being stolen.
THE CHASE ABANDONED.
J.J. Fraser, was in town the first of the week, from the scene of the Dobbie tragedy, and gives the latest particulars of the chase after the murderer.
The last account,
given by J.D. Thomas, left the pursuing party within three miles of the Reavis
ranch. Mr. Fraser, in company with Sheriff Thompson, Sim Neigbors and Frank
Pedero, subsequently caught up with the men twelve miles from
that the soldiers had decided not to follow up the fugitives any farther the
local party requested the use of the four scouts.
Lieut. Fuller
refused to allow the scouts to go, and stated on his return to the
nationality. The horse stolen from Mr. Fraser was made to do good service: the tracks showed that it had worn its shoes off. It was made to ascend places among the mountains that it seemed impossible a horse could climb. The tracks showed that on rough ground the "Kid" would ride the horse; on smooth trail he would let the squaw ride, and himself very gallantly walk.
WAS IT AN APACHE
Who Murdered Charlie
Dobie Near the
KILLED BY PERSONS UNKNOWN.
The Manner of Killing Looked Like Indian Work.
Great Excitement Prevails and Men Are Searching in Every
Direction. Special to The Republican.
The tragedy which resulted in the killing of Charlie Dobie,
a 13-year-old boy, whose mother lives in
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:34:53 EST
From: Ken Warren
To: Richard Pierce
I'm not sure what description I sent before but I thought I would start with the following:
Frazers Ranche June 1st 1892 The following evidence was given before the coroners Jury empanelled to inquire into the cause of the death of Charles M Dobie.
A S. Neighbors being duly sworn says. I knew the deceased to
be Charles Mallet Dobie aged about 13 years. Saw him last at Frazers Ranche on
the morning of May 30th about 6 oclock. He was then mounted on a dark bay
horse. And left to go to Reavis Ranche. His intention being to catch another
horse (a sorrel) and after returning to this ranche was to meet me at Whitlows
in the evening of same day. Upon his failing to meet me as agreed I returned
here yesterday (May 31) about 10 o'clock AM. Two Mexicans named Balles were
with me. We found the house open with bedding provisions scattered on the
floor. Found the boys hat on a chair near the cot he usually occupied. There
was no person at the ranche. I searched in front of the house and around the
corral but found no tracks of anything but burros which appeared between the
house and the corral and then turned down the canyon. I followed them as far as
possible but owing to the high winds of the previous night they were
obliterated. I then went to
Note: I have various notes that indicate the ranch was from 10 to 30 miles from the Silver King.
SOLDIERS OUT.
Hunting for the Murderers of Little Charley Dobie.
From the Globe Silver Belt.
Lieutenant Fuller, with twenty troopers, four Indian
trailers and a pack train passed through town this morning en route to the
scene of the murder of the Dobie boy in
THE CHASE ABANDONED.
J.J. Fraser, was in town the first of the week, from the scene of the Dobbie tragedy, and gives the latest particulars of the chase after the murderer. The last account, given by J.D. Thomas, left the pursuing party within three miles of the Reavis ranch.
Mr. Fraser, in company with Sheriff Thompson, Sim Neigbors
and Frank Pedero, subsequently caught up with the men twelve miles from
Add Note: I found another reference to the ranch being near
I have another favor to ask and it concerns the Loper family
buried in the
Ken
Daily Gazette June 2, 1892
Charlie, had been found murdered at Jack Frazer's cattle ranch,
in the Superstition mountains, forty miles from
..........murder of Charlie Dobie of
..........The ranch is located some fifteen miles from the Silver King mine.
I find an unrelated article describing the search for John See that reads.....
"...a trail followed down and across Tonto creek and
into the
"Sim made the ride in five hours over the rough and
broken country to see Jack Frazer who was on the federal grand jury in
(from Frazier's ranch)....."His scouts struck the trail and followed it within four miles of the mouth of Pinto Creek, where it was lost.
The final bit of information I think confirms the ranch was
on the south side of the
"Sheriff Thompson who was with Lt Fuller and command on
the trail of the Indian, presumably the Kid, who killed Charlie Dobbie,
protested against abandoning the chase at
Three events in the late spring early summer of 1892
happened along the
1) was the disappearance of George Newton, jeweler in Globe
and ranch owner, partner with J.J. Vossburg. Also a known
so it would not be found.
2) John See's wife was found butchered and he was not to be found, in fact I don't know if that was ever resolved.
3) was Charlie Dobbie's death...
Large area and eventually all were blamed on the Apache Kid, who was basically blamed for any and all infractions that happened in that era. He was the boogy man of the time, stories told of him to scare kids. Not that he couldn't have done some things, but the span and timing would have him on a fast horse running all the time to catch the number of events they claimed were his handy work. No Angel, but not omniscient either!
Richard A. Pierce
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